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HDOT article on Treblinka

Operation Reinhard Mass Graves: Krege Investigation

This takes a bit of reading. It’s structurally a well laid-out article, and easy to follow.  It does not immediately jump in to shrill emotion.
I realize I read this quite a long time ago, and accepted it, at that time, at first glance. Time has moved on, and now I’m trying to remember where (and what) I read other people writing about this very article. There is such a mass of information out there, that I find that I simply have to take notes as I go along.

I do have several issues, at first glance, that I’ll list here.
1) I attach the ‘bones pit’ image from this article. It is, at first sight, horrific.
The concern, that many will have is simple:
A. how do we know it’s from Treblinka?
B. How do we know it’s dated correctly as ‘summer 1945’?
We know only the source quoted as J. Gumkowski, A. Rutkowski.  Members of:  “Treblinka, Council for Protection of Fight and Martyrdom Monuments, Warszawa 1962”
and “author, unknown”.
It has been widely alleged (and frequently substantiated) that many photographs used, at  the Nuremburg Trials, were either faked, or ‘borrowed’ from other sources and tragedies, such as the Ukraine Holodomor, or the Russian Siberian labor Death camps.
That is NOT to claim this one is also such. I simply don’t know that. But like those Evangelical Christians who handle REAL rattlesnakes during their church services? The caution-before-proceeding seems reasonable.
I searched https://www.gfh.org.il/eng and I attach another image of “a heap of ashes in the Treblinka camp” (catalog no 11341). Exact same comments.
2) The article says:  “Before Treblinka was abandoned in November 1943, the camp buildings had been bulldozed down to their foundations and covered with sand. The mass graves had been dug up, the remains cremated, and the pits refilled and re-covered. On top of that, local Poles peppered the ground with holes as they dug in the dirt, searching for valuables that had belonged to the murdered Jews.”
This statement is problematic for me.

Using the list of ‘Holocaust sticking points’ I have been slowly compiling,
(here:  https://newwritersharbor.com/the-holocaust-honestly-questioned/)
I respectfully submit MANY of those points apply here. In particular, the following points might be especially invoked, by any reasonable, fair-minded observer.

1. Red Cross records      (contradict this)
2. Aerial reconnaissance photos     (show no such activity)
9. Nuremburg Trials   (later debunked and discredited as rampant fraud)
10. Disposal of bodies     (you are talking a MASSIVE undertaking here; mass graves dug up, remains cremated, pits re-filled and re-covered)
13. Churchill, Eisenhower & de Gaulle (NEVER mentioned any of this alleged epic work)
15-1.  Fake Photos & Film; cutting edge technology at the time, now easily debunked

That is not to say I did not find this article interesting and useful. In particular, it focuses some attention on the GPR (Ground Penetration Radar).

I would like to understand that important area better.

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Introduction, and the persistent problem of ‘the Grand Woof-woof’

GAB has some really sophisticated observers, and they contribute keen insights, and on-point one-liners, that I for one am grateful for.
I submit many of these folk would express similar cautions about the ‘Echo Chamber‘ as I will discuss briefly here. The hazard (you see this all over the Internet) is that you get too many like-minded people together in the same spot, whose noisy mutual-agreeing tends to put differing, or contrary opinions off. Such contrary opinion-holders may even be met with instant hostility. This quickly leads to what I term, dryly, a ‘Mutual Admiration Society‘. Such a society may be satisfying, but it is always in danger of breathing in increasingly stale air.

Enter, that most divisive topic of all, the ‘six million Jews’.
I used to believe it. I grieved at what had occurred. Tears rolled down my Irish cheeks the first time I saw the “Schindler’s List” kids run and hide quickly, terrified, in the latrines.
I was terribly moved by the ‘frantic scratch marks’ left behind in the homicidal gas chambers, by dying Jews.
The list goes on.

Then I started digging. Along the way, kind Internet guides helped me along. There was that anonymous person, who (very gently) introduced in me the awareness of a very simple problem: it’s called ‘nails versus concrete’. Who wins?

My point is that I sympathize with who I was. I wasn’t a bad fellow. Quite a bleeding heart, I suppose. But also rather gormless. I didn’t really have a clue, but I felt (in my uninformed innocence) that I knew plenty enough to be furiously indignant with those neo-Nazi Holocaust Deniers.
Yes, it’s been a long road, since first I started asking questions.

The presence of Holocaust DEFENDERS is therefore in principle VERY WELCOME.

But now it gets… sticky. In our GAB Holocaust Group, (https://gab.com/groups/2412), we frequently run in to a TYPE of ‘Holocaust Defender’ who simply does NOT contribute anything meaningful. Sure, heaps of epithets. Condescension. Heavy Sarcasm. But when they are asked questions? When we refer them to www.HolocaustGAB.com? Or the ‘Holocaust Normie Challenge List’? When we invite them to pick ANY topic they like? Any single one?

Forget it. Run-run-run. Over, and over again.

That simply does not help the conversation. Nor does it do anything to combat what I dread the most, the stale air of the ‘Echo Chamber’.

I was looking for a simple term to describe this phenomenon, and until somebody comes up with a better one? I’ll go with ‘the Grand Woof-woof.’

Here, have a look at this exchange in our GAB Holocaust group.

@Semidetached makes his first post:

“Oh, look. A classic piece of shit Jew hater. Block this sonofabitch.”

I debated ignoring him. But, I thought I’d try very gentle irony.

I quoted his remark, and wrote, above it:

“Clearly, the ‘other side’ are very confident of being able to easily refute our many factual & empirical objections to their Holocaust narrative.
They are clearly very eager to respectfully point out the errors we have innocently made.
With their sophistication, superior intelligence, I know we can look forward to reasoned, polite, constructive debate.

Oh, wait…”

Well, his buddy I guess, jumped in then.

@Pitenana wrote:

“All Nazi whitewashing arguments I’ve seen so far are either based on factual distortions by biased sources or point to insignificant details, and eventually deteriorate into a flood of canned memes and shitposting. Plus, even if I disprove your “factual objections”, will it change your opinion? Arguing with a cultist is rarely productive.”

I replied:

“Hm.
1) ‘white washing arguments’ implies we are liars. That’s kind of quite rude.
2) ‘factual distortions by biased sources’
Let’s hear a few. I’m curious. I never seem to get many such references. Lots of promises, but when it comes down to putting down the words?
Run-run-run.
never seem to get much.
3) point to insignificant details.
Here’s a list I have compiled so far. Pick any one.
http://www.holocaustGAB.com
4) ‘a flood of canned memes’
Plenty of written text available for your perusal.
5) ‘and shit posting’. Again, that’s awfully, unnecessarily, rude.
It doesn’t come across as that you are very confident of your facts, when your statements are laced through with generous helpings of open hostility. Rather condescending too, kind Sir.
6) “Plus, even if I disprove your “factual objections”, will it change your opinion?”
Most certainly. I shall be delighted. If you point out an error, in anything I write, I shall correct it, and be obliged to you.
7) ‘Arguing with a cultist is rarely productive’.
Again, very, very rude.
The solution is simple: “don’t argue.”
Read what I write. Point out errors. I shall be more than pleased to hear your rational input.
With a little less bluster, perhaps?”

I meant it. Why argue? Let’s ‘discuss’. In a calm fashion.  I might learn something.

Did I try? Hard? I think so?  

His reply:

“As I said, there is absolutely no point in arguing with a cultist. I’ve been through that too many times to waste my efforts. Half the list of “talking points” on the linked site are so retarded that they don’t deserve a mouthful of spit, not to speak of debunking.
You have the right to an opinion. I have to the right to want you and your ilk isolated in a padded room.”

I shrug shoulders. Hell, I tried.

My final word was that I quoted his ‘reply’, and wrote:

Grand-standing ‘Woof-woof’

“This, below, is what I might term classic ‘Grand-standing Woof-woof’ followed by ‘run-run-run’.
1) Enter, grandly, upon the stage. Thrusting themselves forward.
2) The fine swagger, oozing confidence.
3) He speaks his lines: we, the simple, ragged, unwashed, humble ones, wait, eagerly.
He throws plentiful scorn and contempt our way. He implies, no he flat out states, that his knowledge and understanding of the Holocaust is vast. And that we, poor souls, are dim.
4) we, eager to test our knowledge, and learn, offer a carefully documented list of what we term Holocaust ‘sticking points’.
We respectfully ask him to pick any one. Any -single- one.
We wait.
5) ‘Grand Woof-woof’ then replies as below.
Some more quite uncalled-for insults, and, so it seems, exit stage left.
I did not insult him in the slightest. I was scrupulously polite.

What am I to make of this fine, but very brief it seems, swagger across the stage?”
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And there I left it. I’m busy. Too busy for games.

It’s regrettable. I’d like to see some staunch ‘Holocaust Defenders’ turn up who are willing, and able, to address issues like intellectual adults. As opposed to petulant children.

A cynic might comment here that the way they behave? Straight into
emotion
name-calling
outrage
condescension?

Might suggest that the ‘Holocaust’ and the ‘Six Million’ is, in essence empirically wholly indefensible. And most of them know it.
They know the ‘Six Million’ is Swiss Cheese.
That their ONLY recourse is to take it quickly to the hyper emotional level.
Preferably, with sad, tearful interviews with ‘Holocaust Survivors’ carefully cherry picked.
Legions of whom have already been unmasked as complete fakes, I’m sorry to say.

The same cynic might add: “And that’s why it’s strictly illegal in many parts of Europe to even ask those questions. And why the ADL and the Jewish Lobby are hell-bent on bringing the same Holocaust Denial Laws into the US.”

You can query Jesus Christ, but don’t you dare touch the ‘Six Million’. That’s holy, son.

I have opened a section here in the notes for ‘Holocaust Defenders’ who can usefully advance the conversation.

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To deny this happened is to call thousands and thousands of survivors abject liars

@Free2Engage wrote:

“I can tell you why there were no (holocaust, gas chambers,etc -Ed) films mentioning that before the 1970’s. People weren’t as crass and vile as they are today, so no one would dare mention that in a film. And of all places? Why does it not being mentioned “in a film” matter anyway? To deny this happened is to call thousands and thousands of survivors abject liars. They all got together and told the same lie about something so horrible that many of them resisted talking about it until they were near death. You know, some people can talk themselves into believing just about anything, if they want that thing to be true bad enough – to justify their own prejudices. Just like BLM convinces itself that police are out to get them because they are black. Same thing here. Sad, really.”

I responded:

Quote: “To deny this happened is to call thousands and thousands of survivors abject liars. They all got together and told the same lie….”

In some ways, that pierces to the heart of the matter. I have watched many interviews with ‘Holocaust survivors’. I don’t think there are ‘thousands and thousands’ of videos of ‘Holocaust survivors’. Nowhere near that much.
But, sure, there are quite a few. The United States Holocaust Museum is a good place to start.
All these interviews support the Holocaust narrative.
That’s what you are saying, and it’s a reasonable and strong point.
I’m with you so far.

How-some-ever.
The more you look at them? You start picking up on serious anomalies. Stuff that does not make sense.
I’ve ended up wondering if I’m going to start examining a lot of these videos individually. Pointing out the problems, one by one. Inviting others to come in and critique every syllable of what I am saying.

I increasingly suspect the unthinkable. I choose my words carefully, and regretfully. Not without some compassion.
But also: as truthfully as this poor soul can manage:

Yes, they are all a bunch of abject liars. Bit players. Cheap props in a sordid shake-down opera.

I don’t mean to needlessly offend you, or anybody else. I write what I write on the basis of my (and others’) best efforts. I’m perfectly willing to go through this step by step, and offer all my simple thinking up for rational discourse.

Remember: I-once-believed. For years. I started studying this to better attack these awful haters.

Duh. Guess where that took me.

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The Hart-Celler Act & 9-11
versus
the 2021 Saul Alinsky Constitutional Coup

I wonder how many Americans & Europeans instantly recognize the 1965 Hart-Celler Act?
You should.
I wonder if it is taught in schools. I doubt it. A great pity.
I submit it marks a massive, epic turning point in the course of future World History. The beginning, I say, quite probably, of a funereal spiral downward for the White Race.
And in case that cheers you on?
I must add, coldly, that it was also NOT (as portrayed at the time and since), any wonderful beginning of ‘new opportunities’ for ‘equal advancement for all races & cultures’.
I say it was a massive mistake, an uninformed arrogance, and what is worse?
That howling naivety, on the one hand? And that deliberate, cynical, Jewish badness, on the other?
Is only set to accelerate in 2021.
We have not only NOT learned our lessons. The pedal is now down to the metal. Driving one-way, at a ton-and-sixty, down the wrong-way Interstate.

At this stage, friend, you may be feeling a warm glow spreading through you. Namely that of your own moral righteousness.
“This man is a racist! “, you may be thinking. “A White Supremacist! ” “For shame! ”
Not so fast.
I submit those are way over-used epithets, hence confusing, that have ceased to mean much anymore. If chucking them out nevertheless makes you feel all good? Knock yourself out. It doesn’t advance the conversation.

1) I am race-aware. So are YOU. Don’t lie. So is everybody. Even ‘Reverend’ Jesse Jackson. Who, in a rare moment of candor, admitted to crossing to the other side of the street, whenever he sees a group of young black men lounging about. Ahead of him, on the sidewalk.

2) I also worked all over the world, including Africa. Have you?

3) Ted Kennedy said this: “The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs. ”
Hogwash.

4) Going back to 1790, our Founding Fathers carefully restricted citizenship.

5) In 1924, the Immigration Act had permanently established the ‘National Origins Formula’ as the basis of U.S. immigration policy.
Thus, in 1965, without any referendum, without bothering to meaningfully consult ‘We, the People’, a relatively tiny clique took it upon themselves to casually tear up, and wholly up-end, 175 years’ worth of carefully established policy.
A policy that had led to a homogeneous society. Essentially united, essentially at peace, and rightfully proud of the American Culture, Flag, and Country.

And what have we now? The Southern border yawning wide open. An armada of new, reliably eternal Democrat voters being imported. En masse. A thundering mess, cities on fire, the flag being burned, and the concept of the ‘American’, (that magic glue of a once-homogeneous society), trampled into the mud.
And Saul Alinsky’s rabid, totalitarian disciples have barely got going.
The Talmudic Mafia? Supreme in their 5th column arrogance. The Destroyers exultant.

I submit that the 2021 Saul Alinsky Constitutional Coup, if allowed to stand?

Will make 9-11 and Hart-Celler look like a picnic.

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The 6-fold Holocaust ‘Numbers’ Conundrum

There is (at least) a SIX (6)-fold aspect of the oft-cited Holocaust ‘Numbers’ conundrum.
Six dimensions, if you prefer. Maybe more, and I have missed some.
Indeed, the term ‘Numbers’ crops up a lot in the frequent expressions of skeptical dissent.
It occurred to me it might be helpful, and aid rational discussion, to carefully list those main areas, in which ‘numbers’ fuel furious debate. Even cynicism. Not to mention open mockery.

1)  The Numbers that were quietly changed (overnight, in 1995) on the Auschwitz-Treblinka Monument

From 4 million deaths down to ‘approx’ 1.5 million.

   But the TOTAL WW2 Jewish deaths? REMAINS SIX MILLION…   

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2)  The Numbers the International Red Cross (who had open access!) quotes for deaths from ALL causes in the camps.
(emphasis on: ‘ALL’)

272,301.  Not ‘six million’. Or even 6,000,000.
Small difference?
Seems really suspicious that Israel moved heaven and earth to keep these documents SECRET for decades. Until 2008.
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3)  The Numbers of Jews quoted in population census form. Pre-WW2 and POST WW-2.

That includes various Jewish sources! So no dispute. Basically fifteen million-and-a-bit BEFORE WW2. And fifteen-million-and-a-bit AFTER WW2.
I submit for your consideration that the Jews, despite all their endless choreographed wailing, came through WW2 way, way, WAY better than anybody else. Relatively unscathed, in fact. I further submit that this class (emotional and financial) extortion act of theirs -cruelly- deflects attention away from much larger ‘Holocausts’ that (really) happened elsewhere in Europe, to other peoples.

4)  The sheer (massive) Numbers of Jewish bodies allegedly burned, and the relatively (absurdly) puny physical capabilities & limitations of the ovens at hand

aswith the (massive) requirements that would have entailed in terms of coke, the problems that the regular Allied overflights failed to capture the mass burying, mass digging up, mass open pile burning, the problem that Allied eavesdropping (via their successful German code-breaking) failed to intercept any of this activity in reports, the problem that MODERN DAY crematoria cannot even perform such feats as were claimed, the problem of endless unmasking of ‘witnesses’ who were proven to be liars, the problem that such alleged body burning would have left bone residue that would have required crushing, the issue that modern ground penetration radar found no evidence of soil disturbed, or mass graves, were nearly a million bodies are supposed to be buried. The goofy, massively un-German and inefficient, tortuous lay-out of the alleged ‘homicidal’ gas chambers.

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5)  The Numbers Mystery where by the ‘6 million Jews’ gets (frequently) quoted way, WAY back, to at least… 1914? 1850? Nope. Try Babylon. Nope. Sumerian? Errr….

Way before WW2, 1914EEEE, 1850 at least,    the New York Times (and others) started prominently posting the ‘six million Jews’ dying-dead-nearly-dead theme.
(PS: “Give generously”)
The exact same number is repeated over, and over again. Decades before WW2.

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6)  The amazing collapse of the Majdanek death numbers

A classic example of Jewish-Bolshevik, um, ‘slight exaggeration’. Hyperbole. Propaganda. Absurdity. Poetic flight of fancy.  Whatever fine label you wish to put on it.

Collapsed-plunged-plummeted-cratered, from just under two million (1,922,000), down to just 78,000.  Just a NINETY-SIX PERCENT DROP.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just Jews lying. Again, deaths from ALL causes, including TYPHUS, the scourge, Allied Bombing, old age, gout, and excess rumpy-pumpy-OH-Dorothy…

in the camp brothel.

You can’t make this sh*t any more ridiculous than it already is.

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Last edited by Francis Meyrick on March 28, 2021, 11:16 am